I was on YT(big mistake I know) and I saw some powerscaling post and I keep people downplay newer characters and newer forms of the ninja saying the get one shot or neg diffed by older villans like the time twins or the overlord(when he possessed Garamadon not the dragon) and I find myself confused because Cinder in his first showing of getting shatterspin dominated all of the ninja team except for Jay and Cole who weren't there. And for some I can understand but for a story that's gone on...